Interview with Kahlia and Lawson from SUNFLOWER

I interviewed Kahlia and Lawson from the Brisbane based band, SUNFLOWER, Monday 10th August 2020, following the release of their single ‘Get Yourself Together.

You can watch the interview in the video above, or check out their answers below.

For each of you, what was it that first ignited your passion within music and what was it that made you decide to then pursue music as a career?

Kahlia: Well, i grew up in a very musical family so both my parents were musos. My mum’s the classical musician and my dad was a rocker in Sydney for a number of years so, yeah my whole family has always been super musical.. so I, like everyone, would always sing in the car.. that’s how i learned to sing and picking on my instrument was just really natural and normal. I didn’t realise it would be any other way. Basically it was just how my family was. It’s just always been a part of my life and I honestly couldn’t imagine doing anything else. I love music more than anything.

Lawson: For me my parents are the ultimate fan fans.. They’re the perfect fan.. you know both of them are just hardcore about my music.. Probably my dad, even a little bit more so than my mum, but they both love and appreciate music. Well my mum was a pianist and my dad played guitar.. very badly.. still plays guitar very badly.. I tell him he’s good though because you know positive reinforcement.. He’s 67 so he needs he needs the positive reinforcement. There’s still time, but yeah, my Nan, my dad’s mum was massive in the influence for me. She got me playing piano when i was about six and she never beat it into me. I think some people, unluckily get that and it kind of becomes a chore. I never had music as a chore.. more like we used to play the Beatles and stuff.. you know so it wasn’t and we did Beethoven as well but it wasn’t all Beethoven and no Beatles so that’s where it started for me.

What was it that made you decide to say this is this is the point where i’m going to take this seriously?

Kahlia: There’s no turning back from me.. I can’t remember not feeling that way, oddly because before i was in SUNFLOWER, I was in a family band and that started when i was 14. Basically we were playing pubs and clubs and festivals since i was at the beginning of high school and that’s when I started taking it seriously. Okay this is what i’m doing now and forever, but like not a force.. that’s that’s all i wanted to do. I couldn’t wait to get home from school or get to the weekend and get to play the pub, in the club and I was 14.. I could hold my own on a stage and i loved it so.. I look back at that I was probably super cringy but whatever.. I loved it and i loved music.. It’s always there..

Lawson: I grew up like I always had jobs i’m now full-time we’re both full-time and we obviously do the covers circuit as well because that’s the bread and butter as they say I’ve always had jobs.. Probably about two years ago for me.. I wouldn’t say it was the time when i took it seriously but it was like i was taking it seriously a long time before that.. It was the time I jumped in the deep end and I quit my job and it was really confronting because I don’t know anyone who really has done that or did that. It was really different for me to do that and it was it was a big push for me to do that and go full time with music. I have no regrets and i haven’t gone back.

How did how did you both first come together?

Lawson: Explosive.. Explosive.. The musical Gods were at power night.. it’s all very dramatic!

Kahlia: We were both in different bands so Lawson was in a rock band called Port Royal and I was in a family band called The Fergies and both our bands were competing at a blues Fest.. Part of the dance competition and neither of us won..

Lawson: But we all really won at the end of it.. You know what i mean? The real winner is SUNFLOWER.

Kahlia: Both of us are really driven people and we can both relate to each other that way we’re like ‘man you’re just like me’. The band didn’t start straight away.. It was like six months after.. Both our bands fell apart and we were doing a lot of writing together.

Lawson: Well the weird thing with fate and I know it’s a tricky thing, whether people believe in it or not, but it is that you know the almost the decline like things weren’t perfect in your world, nor were they in mine and the decline of things almost happened at exactly the same time. There were difficulties in that time, but everything was in a place where it was either going to happen then or it was never going to happen. It became a fresh baby only at the start of the year. I think we announced something on, I think January 4th was the date or 5th.. It was the day we announced SUNFLOWER but it had been in hiding but no one really knew about it.

The name SUNFLOWER.. How did that first come about?

Lawson: Kahlia’s nickname is.. We used to call her Sunflower.. We used to say she was at some place because she radiates positive energy.. That was her nickname but turns out.. and this is some real geographical geography blobology.. weird stuff but her star sign.. You’re a Leo aren’t you?

Kahlia: Yeah

Lawson: And it’s your flower?

Kahlia: Yeah

Lawson: But we didn’t find out later.. but it made sense, didn’t it. Then we’re like ‘oh what do we call it’ and I’ve always been against calling your band.. even though i love a lot of bands that are like this.. but calling them ‘The’ something so i didn’t want to be ‘The’ Sunflowers or ‘The’ flowers or something.. It is literally just SUNFLOWER.

Kahlia: And also, the flower basically means happiness and loyalty and togetherness.. like that, without being too hippy because there’s a 70’s vibe to our music but we’re not a hippie band.

For those who aren’t familiar with your music, how would you describe your sound?

Lawson: We say the love child of Oasis and Fleetwood Mac.

Kahlia: Yeah, it’s kind of like that.

Lawson: It’s anthemic.. It’s anthemic.. It’s just big choruses.. Big power ballads.. Tasty rock riffs, mixed with blue, sensibility and soul..

Kahlia: It definitely has a modern edge to it like it certainly doesn’t sound like something you’d hear in the 70’s but it has that has a nod to that era

Would you say that Fleetwood Mac and and similar bands would be your influences or do you have some other influences that have inspired you along the way?

Kahlia: Yeah, they’re definitely the major influences

Lawson: The blues thing is a big part of it like.. the blues and the beatles-esque melody and pop sensibility is definitely where it comes into it but the blues basic rhythms and energy is definitely a big part of the songwriting process

Kahlia: Yeah, but we also love Lana Del Rey and the Black Keys and.. who else?

Lawson: Uh.. Oasis (laughs)

Kahlia: We do love a lot of more modern music too but there was something special that happened in the seventies, I reckon, musically. It’s just so much good music.

How would you describe your songwriting process within the band?

Kahlia: Every song is different.. like ‘Get Yourself Together’ for instance.. I wrote pretty much all of it and then ‘Better Days’ Lawson pretty much wrote all of that. But our next single we both wrote that one, and so yeah every song is definitely different.. We’re both big songwriters.. We both have always written and love writing, so sometimes the songs are more written by me or more Lawson and then we meet in this happy medium place where we both write a song. It’s a bit of a tug-of-war songwriting process but it’s good! I think it results in something really special.

Do you ever collaborate with anybody else in terms of the songwriting process or is it very much inside the band?

Lawson: No, it’s very inside the band.. I’m not anti it, but I think ‘too many cooks in the kitchen, spoils the meals’.

Kahlia: Our band all play major roles in their own.. obviously like instrumental parts and stuff, but I feel like it’s a special thing.. I feel like the fans of this band want to hear Lawson and my stories.. I feel like that’s the thing no one else in our band really has.

Lawson: That’s incredibly egotistical of you. (laughs)

I think we can feel that in your music, there’s a strong message that definitely goes through the songs..

Kahlia: Yeah, that’s the thing, consistency wise, because Lawson and i are singing the songs, at the end of the day, so for singing someone else’s story.. and i feel like it just wouldn’t feel cohesive and everything you’re going to hear from this band.. touch wood.. I think is going to be a story that’s either mine or his or both of ours and i think that’s cool.. I think that feels authentic and true, so i mean it’s very real it’s not meant to be materialistic superficial kind of crap.. It’s all meant to be very relatable.

On Friday, you released your single ‘Get Yourself Together’, how did that song come about?

Kahlia: Well, I wrote that song the night that this person that i loved very much, told me that he loved me. This person, he was wonderful but he was making a lot of life choices that were damaging to him and damaging to our relationship and it was a message to him to be like ‘hey we have something special here.. get it together’ or it just can’t work.. It’s never going to really work the way we want it to.. but even specifically for me it’s about that I feel like the song is also.. especially that chorus, is general enough that it just feels empowering.. it’s certainly not a song that’s trying to knock him for it.. It’s like, I believe in you.. I believe you can do it and the song as a whole sounds really empowering and uplifting.. like, come on. I wrote it about sometime last year.

Lawson: It’s about making it happen.

Kahlia: Yeah, yeah, exactly.. about making happen for yourself and knowing and believing in you and and what you can do, and what you’re capable of, and not settling.

With your first release ‘Better Days’, being along the same line, is there a message that you’re trying to send with these themes?

Lawson: I think the general message behind the whole songwriting process is meant to be optimistic and hopeful, but not in a dream world kind of way.. just like things are hard and things are challenging, but you can make something good happen for yourself, if you want it to happen. For me it stems from when I was 15.. and I will bring them up again.. but I used to passionately listen to Oasis.. and anyone who’s ever listened to that band knows that those choruses are just the the greatest thing in the world.. and when they hit they make you explode inside.. There’s an adrenaline rush, mixed with the best feeling you’ve ever felt in your life.. combined into this just little magical moment and you can repeat that by repeating the song or whatever.. I’m like i’m a low-key obsessed fanboy.. I think they’re amazing and so, for me it was like writing songs, it’s like so important that that become.. that that feeling came across in what we were doing too.

How do you feel about the process between your first release and your second release? Was was there any difference in, terms of the second time you were going through the process?

Kahlia: Definitely..

Lawson: You learn a lot! You don’t do a lot of stuff the same way..

Kahlia: We both released music in our previous bands before, but you learn something new every time.

Lawson: Don’t rush things.. I think is the most important thing..There’s such a culture at the moment to have stuff out and what’s next, what’s next, what’s next, and even though we’re using this Coronavirus thing to try and be a bit ahead in the recording sense of things, but not putting anything out that’s anything but perfect.. oh, you’re never going to be perfect.. but anything but exactly what you want it to be.. at the level you want it to be because you only get one shot at releasing these songs.. What I mean is that’s the way I have looked at it. ‘Get Yourself Together’.. It should have been out three months ago, but ‘Better Days’ made sense at the time and then ‘Better Days’ should have been out two months before that, but they happen the way they happen and we got really lucky with the music video, all coming together so beautifully in a very short space of time and there’s a lot of people behind the scenes that deserve a lot of credit for making everything happen.

How did you find going through all the processes during COVID-19?

Kahlia: Yeah, it has been really difficult because, as an artist you make money as a band by touring and by selling merch and by playing festivals and you can’t do any of those things right now, so literally you don’t make a lot of money from releasing music or music videos or anything.. All the social media you make nothing..

Lawson: You spend money.

Kahlia: Yeah, you spend money.. which you need to have made at from touring and playing battles. Also, just reaching people and gaining fans.. There’s those key elements of festivals and events and shows.. None of that is happening at the moment so that’s been very difficult because we are a fresh new band, so releasing singles at the moment, we’ve had to solely rely on just trying to create the best content and music that we play.

Lawson: We need a hype man… We need a lunatic who can cross the border somehow.. yeah, we’ll play the fine!

Kahlia: We’ve just been really focusing on the creative side of things and just writing and trying to release good music, and pushing those boundaries, and we’re really proud of the music video. A lot of time went into that as well. So obviously it’s super super different and very challenging.. really challenging and a lot of our friends with music have just called it quits in a lot of ways because there’s not a lot that you can do right now which is really heartbreaking.. I think you just have to adapt to the times.. It’s not really survival of the fittest.. it’s survival of the whoever can adapt to the best.

Lawson: Things are going to like be very different for a lot of musicians.. original musicians, that is. It’s kind of a timely thing though. It’s probably made a lot of people have to get their social media up and their EPKs done and they try to do that.. Make sure this, their platform looks nice and they get that intricate thing sorted out that they were meant to get sorted out two years ago and they still haven’t done it..

Kahlia: Or you give up..

Lawson: Well the stakes are higher.. The thing is,you become not just a a functional musician, in terms of so to speak, your talent, but your actual running of your own business. You have like a survival of the fittest so either you quit, or you get good or you just struggle..

Kahlia: Or you evolve.. so we’re doing everything we can right now.

Lawson: Or you get good and struggle.

How do you think that the COVID-19 situation is going to change the long-term future of music?

Lawson: I think large gatherings of gigs are going to be interesting for a while. I hope it does something good for the..

Kahlia: local music..

Lawson: But also for how people value things, because now that you can’t have it, it’s like sitting at home on Saturday night sounds pretty boring when you can never do it.. I mean we’re in Queensland right now so we sort of have that luxury that we still can somewhat go out, but even still, everything’s restricted and you can’t dance and all that kind of thing. Even those little things.. it’s those little moments you share with your friends and you share with your family and your loved ones. Also, just the socialising side of being out and meeting people at a gig is just so fantastic.

Kahlia: I fully agree with that actually, I think people were getting used to only having to pay a five dollar or a ten dollar ticket to see 20 bands.. That’s the thing that isn’t happening now.. You have to spend 40 dollars to see two bands.. I mean local music.. I think people will value live music and local artists a lot more now. That whole interaction.. I don’t think it’s going to be like this forever.. I think this time next year is going to look a lot better and a lot different.. We just have to wait out this year i think.. I even think festivals will be back within the next year or two.. I just think people will value it a lot more and be more hungry for it..

Lawson: It’s tricky.. It’s going to be very interesting

For those who don’t understand the process and what’s involved, are you able to provide a little bit of an understanding about what’s involved in terms of putting together your release, in terms of putting together your music video and and all the processes that you went through?

Kahlia: From the get-go, we write the songs, so one of us writes, ideally.. ‘Get Yourself Together’ I wrote the song.. i brought it to the band.. Lawson did some lyric tweaking we made it what it was.. We then brought it to the band, did the whole arrangement, then the point where we decided was a single, we demoed it, so did a really rough recording to make sure we liked how it sounded. It didn’t have to be perfect, we just did it at someone’s house and then from there once we were happy with it and probably took a couple of weeks to get all the parts solid, we took it to the studio.. We recorded all the parts..

Lawson: We re-recorded the song three times, actually.. because there was three different versions of the song.. and different intros and one was four and a half minutes and one was three and a half minutes and this one was painful to get the version we have now. It’s the way it is because there was so much refining that went on.

Kahlia: Our bassist, Sam Woods produced this version of ‘Get Yourself Together’, that we’ve released and he did an amazing job, but he spent hours and hours and hours over a couple of..

Lawson: He hates me now.. we don’t we don’t actually talk outside of band affairs because i was going back to him with ‘nah that vocal delay is just 0.625 of a second too long’

Kahlia: and then from there.. hours worth of sending the song out to people and doing press and then we had the music video which took three days to film.. then there was three weeks probably worth of.. Alec, the director and I came up with the concept and then he built the storyboard, and the script..

Lawson: He’s a genius to be honest.

Kahlia: He’s amazing actually definitely check him out.. Then we filmed it, then somehow he condensed his workload into two weeks or was it two weeks to get the music video together.. which is crazy.. That doesn’t happen.. editing it and getting it coloured and everything.. and then on top of that, we also did the premiere party on Friday to get some hype going We’ve been working our butts off.

It sounds like you do a lot of that process yourself, very independently..

Kahlia: Yeah, it’s massive.

Lawson: I think you have to do it that way.. I once had a guy tell me.. he was in a band in the 80’s this old guy and he plays around Brisbane now, just for fun and whatnot but he told me his biggest regret was that he was in a band that were on the come up and they had this whole belief, the whole time that they’re just going to get signed, so the record label can sort it all out and they’re just going to get signed and they never got to that point because they never allowed themselves to do the things or learn the things that had to be done.. but even still he’s like every band I know that went to do.. He knew Powderfinger and he knew You Am I, and Regurgitator and all those kind of bands, and he said every one of those bands did well because they put themselves out there, they learned how to do.. everyone in the band had a role and everyone knew how to do that role.. and they knew how to do it properly, so when the record label came along, they knew what right for them.. they knew what they needed to do.. they now had backing to do it and I really got told that five years ago and it’s really stuck with me. It’s like, well, if you don’t know how to do something maybe Google it. So with everything, you’ve got to be a full 360 degree self-functioning business.

Kahlia: You do.. especially in this time.. we do everything ourselves. Everything from the social media, to the bookings to just everything.

Lawson: People say, oh you’re doing well and then on the inside you’re like, really? You’re like I’m not doing enough.. I’m not doing enough..

Kahlia: We’re also supported by some pretty beautiful, amazing people

Lawson: We’ve got a good team

Kahlia: We’re very lucky

How many people would you say would be on your regular, inside team?

Lawson: Well, other than us, there’s probably.. It depends what we’re doing but there’s probably.. There’s your sister (turning to Kahlia) as well, who helps a lot and outside of the band there’s probably a consistent three or four people.. maybe two or three people who are there all the time.. Mike.. someone like Mike (turning to Kahlia) and obviously Joseph.. so we’ve got a small.. but then this is our first video with Alec.. To be honest if we can, if Alec is available and willing to do it.. I don’t see the need to ever want to outsource that beyond availability.. He’s shown us that he’s passionate about the project and he can make magic things happen.. Loyalty is a big thing in this game and I know a lot of people who disregard it and i think it’s really important.

For any artist that might be watching, do you have any advice if they’re wanting to get themselves out there?

“.. Find that thing in yourself that makes you different, and that you were probably bullied about in school or people make fun of you about or jab at you about and embrace it completely.. Whether it’s a hair colour, or the way you say something.. like if you have a lisp or anything, honestly or you like a certain thing or you’re maybe a little flamboyant or over the top or anything.. embrace that.. that is gold because that is the stuff that sets you apart from everyone else and makes people remember you..”

Kahlia: Well, I reckon the first advice would be find that thing in yourself that makes you different, and that you were probably bullied about in school or people make fun of you about or jab at you about and embrace it completely.. Whether it’s a hair colour, or the way you say something.. like if you have a lisp or anything, honestly or you like a certain thing or you’re maybe a little flamboyant or over the top or anything.. embrace that.. that is gold because that is the stuff that sets you apart from everyone else and makes people remember you. Don’t try to be the next Taylor Swift.. don’t try to be next Ed Sheeran.. Find that thing in you, that’s unique and different and it may even just seem normal to you, but just if you embrace who you are completely, you know people won’t be able to ignore you.. It’s really important to do that..

Lawson: I’m going to say the most cliche thing in the world, but i’m going to say don’t don’t let the haters get you down because as you start to do things and as you start to put yourself out there, people love to slander you, people love to put you down, people love to say anything they can and make anything up they can, to try and hurt you because they’re that way inclined, for whatever reason and we as people, i think we like react to negativity so much more significantly than we do to positivity but there’s so much beautiful positivity around.. so it’s controlling that and being aware of like that is something that’s going to happen. It shouldn’t make you and it sort of ties into what Kahlia’s saying, it should make you want to change who you are, and as long as you’re a good person and you know that you do the right thing and you’re in it for the right reason in your hearts, you’ll be unstoppable but it’s very important that you don’t lose sight of that.

Is that something that throughout your journey, you’ve seen a lot, in terms of yourselves or people around you?

Lawson: Heaps.. The music industry’s really tough. The thing that keeps me still passionate and believing is because the inner circle we all we have at the moment.. I feel so blessed to have that.. There’s a lot of young guys and girls out there who are just starting things for the first time and people are going to let them down and people are going to promise them the world and they never deliver and that people are going to lie to them and people are going to lie about them and they’re going to pretend to be their friend and then they’re going to stab them in the back.. I’m not trying to be pessimistic but it’s very confronting stuff, especially when you’re just starting and it’s got this really bright, nice outer thing and you think everyone’s accepting and stuff and in an ideal world that’d be the case. It’s very competitive, but at the same time, the thing you’ve got to focus on is you being the best you can be and worrying about the people that matter in your team. I feel blessed.. especially with the way SUNFLOWER’s become what it has in a short space of time..

Kahlia: I think the online world can be really hard too for anyone.. especially kids.. I really feel for kids, growing up with social media in a lot of ways. It can really define you in those formative years.. When i was 14 through to 17, I think was the family band that I was in.. For a few years, we put covers up on YouTube and we actually became quite big.. We had songs that were on millions of plays.. but as a kid at 14 15 16, I would go online and I would read all the comments. Obviously there were a lot of people viewing it.. a lot of people commenting.. there are a lot of people who say a lot of really awful things and I’ve heard it all about myself. At this point, there is nothing anyone could say that i have not read many times over and as a kid that messed with my head. I just didn’t I lost sight of who I was because I just had all these this negativity going around in my head and I shouldn’t have read it, but you just do.. it’s there you want to know what people think of you, when it’s so easy to access. The best thing I ever did was just close it down and never go on.. and just not read it. I would rather not know. I don’t want to know what you think of me and then start to figure out how to be into me and love me and believe in what i’m doing so also just online stuff i totally agree with the whole, you read one bad comment and that’s the thing that you take away from and it’s best just to not even just go there.

Lawson: I love that YouTube even gives the ability to have a dislike.. What’s that about? If you don’t like it, don’t look at it.. don’t view it..

At what point did you turn it around and say ‘I’m not going to read this anymore’..What changed that for you?

Kahlia: Well, to be honest, at the point where I was really mentally depressed and anxious and I couldn’t eat and it just messed in my head.. I was so upset all the time.. but obviously I was always going to be as a kid reading these awful messages about the way I look, the way I sounded, the way I sang, my music, the way i was writing songs, the way i was talking, how I was interacting with my siblings.. People had stuff to say about everything.. It got to the point where I felt frozen.. like i couldn’t do anything without worrying that I was going to piss someone off in the comment section and I shouldn’t have even cared about it.. When i look back now, I’m like.. ‘wow, that was something’.. actually that comment section was so important to me but at the time. When it’s so easily accessible, to see what people think about you.. you’re going to look and it’s going to shape you. At the point, where I hated everything about myself and and who I was and everything.. I guess rock bottom.. I got to the point where it’s like I’m not going to do this anymore and I’m good now.. If I accidentally read something or something pops up in my messages and it’s bad, I’m old enough now to be like ‘oh well.. this guy doesn’t like me or doesn’t like my voice.. it’s alright.. join the club’. There’s someone else around the corner who probably doesn’t as well and I believe in myself enough now.. but I had to take the time to step away from it to actually get to that point.

What’s next on the horizon for SUNFLOWER?

Lawson: Love to play a show.. sometime soon.. Well, we’re meant to be touring..

Kahlia: Probably early next year..

Lawson: With some undisclosed Australian bands, who are probably in the more established world of things, but that’s all very under wraps at the moment.. and it’s all in a maybe category with everything that’s going on so they’re they’re not even sure themselves what they’re doing. We’re heading back into the studio in two weeks time already to do the third single and learning, writing, becoming wiser, growing older, drinking more beers..

Kahlia: We’re just going to keep pushing and working hard, I think.

Lawson: Just write better songs.. try for better songs

Ultimately, if everything lines up the way that you want to where would you like to end up as a band long term?

Kahlia: We’re not in this to be a small band.. like we want to be a big band.. We want everyone to come shows.. we want to meet all our idols.. we want to change people’s life and for them to tattoo our lyrics on their skin and come out.. sell out arenas and have our songs on the radio and you know.. all the big things..

Lawson: I just want to do what my idols have done for me.. What I mean.. I know it sounds a bit cliche.. I guess I’ve said a few cliches tonight, but that 15 year old Lawson that was listening to Super Sonic and Champagne Supernova by Oasis for the first time.. It blows your mind.. nothing else matters.. everything in your life makes sense all of a sudden.. also at the same time it’s like it’s just music.. It’s a total taste built thing as well but Oasis.. the next level so that doesn’t matter.. but you know the influence they had on me was just like ‘wow i can do and be whoever i want to be’. If I set my mind to it and to be that for someone else would be the ultimate pro.. like honor.. you know like the works.. there’s a long road ahead for that for that to happen

At what point would you feel like you’ve been successful in what you’re doing?

Lawson: I’d love to have a number one song..

Kahlia: To be honest I don’t think we’re ever gonna feel successful.. there’ll always be another mountain.

Lawson: There’s the self-discovery side of things as well though. There’s also the point where you can look at your hard work and be like ‘shit, we achieve things.. yeah.. like we did’. I still feel like that now.. we’re getting a spin on Triple J tonight and if you told me that three years ago i’d be like’nah.. wouldn’t happen’ and now we’re on Australia’s biggest national youth radio station tonight. Right now, it means what it means..

Kahlia: Even just our music video.. I watched it today and I’m like, damn.. I would have been so stoked as a teenager if i knew that that was the music video we were going to release..

Lawson: We’ve got so much learning to do too.. We’ve had so much still to do.. so much discovery..

What’s been the highlight so far, up to this point?

Kahlia: Well, Coronavirus hit two months after we started the band so..

Lawson: There’s been some crazy.. there’s been some crazy times.. there’s been some experiences.

Kahlia: Going to melbourne was pretty awesome..

Lawson: Friday night was good..

Kahlia: Premiere party.. On Friday night.. It was just a room full of love and it was so good..

Lawson: It was limited because of the restrictions on on numbers but it was a really, really great group of people.. It was a really solid group of people.

Kahlia: and we got to play some songs and they were just so into it.. dancing and singing along and lighters in the air and it was just really beautiful.. It makes me excited for when we play shows again.. it was really good.

Lawson: You forget that people love music, don’t you? A lot of live music too, you know when everything’s roaring at the same time, all the amps are fired up and the speakers are pumping and the drums are pulsing and the bass is just smooth and it’s all happening.. It’s great!